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	<title>Comments on: Don&#8217;t Say &#8216;Local&#8217;: Name the Farm</title>
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		<title>By: Maxwell</title>
		<link>http://boakandbailey.com/2012/07/dont-just-say-local-name-the-farm/#comment-19041</link>
		<dc:creator>Maxwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2012 13:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This could warrant its own post regarding the pubs&#039; marketing of &#039;world beers&#039;. Not that it&#039;s a completely bad thing, cutting down on miles travelled and energy wasted moving glass or kegs across the seas.

I suppose the irksome part of it is that it&#039;s not international any more, so don&#039;t piss on my shoes and tell me it&#039;s raining.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This could warrant its own post regarding the pubs&#8217; marketing of &#8216;world beers&#8217;. Not that it&#8217;s a completely bad thing, cutting down on miles travelled and energy wasted moving glass or kegs across the seas.</p>
<p>I suppose the irksome part of it is that it&#8217;s not international any more, so don&#8217;t piss on my shoes and tell me it&#8217;s raining.</p>
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		<title>By: Bailey</title>
		<link>http://boakandbailey.com/2012/07/dont-just-say-local-name-the-farm/#comment-19024</link>
		<dc:creator>Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2012 07:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Have you ever had an oyster stout with discernible &#039;oysteriness&#039;? Had a beef and oyster pie once. Never again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you ever had an oyster stout with discernible &#8216;oysteriness&#8217;? Had a beef and oyster pie once. Never again.</p>
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		<title>By: Bailey</title>
		<link>http://boakandbailey.com/2012/07/dont-just-say-local-name-the-farm/#comment-19023</link>
		<dc:creator>Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2012 07:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, yes, we&#039;ve seen this, but with &#039;world lagers&#039;:

San Miguel, Spain (actually Northampton)
Carlsberg, Denmark (actually Northampton)
Hofbrau, Germany (actually Dorset)
Asahi, Japan (actually Kent)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, yes, we&#8217;ve seen this, but with &#8216;world lagers&#8217;:</p>
<p>San Miguel, Spain (actually Northampton)<br />
Carlsberg, Denmark (actually Northampton)<br />
Hofbrau, Germany (actually Dorset)<br />
Asahi, Japan (actually Kent)</p>
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		<title>By: Bailey</title>
		<link>http://boakandbailey.com/2012/07/dont-just-say-local-name-the-farm/#comment-19022</link>
		<dc:creator>Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2012 07:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And would they be able to make a virtue of it in marketing either way? If it is US malt, then it&#039;s seen as inferior by some geeks; if it isn&#039;t, it&#039;s unpatriotic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And would they be able to make a virtue of it in marketing either way? If it is US malt, then it&#8217;s seen as inferior by some geeks; if it isn&#8217;t, it&#8217;s unpatriotic.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
		<link>http://boakandbailey.com/2012/07/dont-just-say-local-name-the-farm/#comment-19006</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2012 02:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wonder how much US craft beer is made with US malt and not Canadian, British or German?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how much US craft beer is made with US malt and not Canadian, British or German?</p>
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		<title>By: Maxwell</title>
		<link>http://boakandbailey.com/2012/07/dont-just-say-local-name-the-farm/#comment-18944</link>
		<dc:creator>Maxwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2012 09:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Hops are not like meat.&quot;

That&#039;s why my burgers keep falling apart then!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Hops are not like meat.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why my burgers keep falling apart then!</p>
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		<title>By: T_i_B</title>
		<link>http://boakandbailey.com/2012/07/dont-just-say-local-name-the-farm/#comment-18943</link>
		<dc:creator>T_i_B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2012 09:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reminds me of the time I let slip to a local brewer that their Oyster stout was the worst Oyster Stout I&#039;d ever tasted. 

Turned out they had got their Oysters from a fishmonger&#039;s stall in Barnsley Market which I won&#039;t go anywhere near due to the terrible off smell. That might have been a large factor in why the beer was so bad.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reminds me of the time I let slip to a local brewer that their Oyster stout was the worst Oyster Stout I&#8217;d ever tasted. </p>
<p>Turned out they had got their Oysters from a fishmonger&#8217;s stall in Barnsley Market which I won&#8217;t go anywhere near due to the terrible off smell. That might have been a large factor in why the beer was so bad.</p>
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		<title>By: olllllo</title>
		<link>http://boakandbailey.com/2012/07/dont-just-say-local-name-the-farm/#comment-18905</link>
		<dc:creator>olllllo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2012 19:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re so clearly talking about Schlitz beer here. It&#039;s embarrassing!


http://i.imgur.com/Pocvz.png
http://i.imgur.com/S8P0j.png
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1243&amp;dat=19350312&amp;id=tDVPAAAAIBAJ&amp;sjid=RyEEAAAAIBAJ&amp;pg=5025,5579257

More on topic. We&#039;re home to a number of resorts and fine dining establishments here in Phoenix that mention the local source of their produce and wines, of course, but seldom list local beers. In fact some of our restaurants obfuscate their locations as tony Scottsdale and not Phoenix.

My favorite thing is with this idea is when restaurants list faux provenance for macro beers among the smaller craft places where location DOES make a difference.

Anchor Steam - San Francisco, California
Sierra Nevada Pale Ale - Chico, California
Budweiser Light - Lager - Saint Louis, Missouri
Miller Genuine Draft - Lager - Milwaukee Wisconsin

No you idiots They are all made in California. The macros brew in Irwindale and Van Nuys or some equally boring industrial plant.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re so clearly talking about Schlitz beer here. It&#8217;s embarrassing!</p>
<p><a href="http://i.imgur.com/Pocvz.png" rel="nofollow">http://i.imgur.com/Pocvz.png</a><br />
<a href="http://i.imgur.com/S8P0j.png" rel="nofollow">http://i.imgur.com/S8P0j.png</a><br />
<a href="http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1243&#038;dat=19350312&#038;id=tDVPAAAAIBAJ&#038;sjid=RyEEAAAAIBAJ&#038;pg=5025,5579257" rel="nofollow">http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1243&#038;dat=19350312&#038;id=tDVPAAAAIBAJ&#038;sjid=RyEEAAAAIBAJ&#038;pg=5025,5579257</a></p>
<p>More on topic. We&#8217;re home to a number of resorts and fine dining establishments here in Phoenix that mention the local source of their produce and wines, of course, but seldom list local beers. In fact some of our restaurants obfuscate their locations as tony Scottsdale and not Phoenix.</p>
<p>My favorite thing is with this idea is when restaurants list faux provenance for macro beers among the smaller craft places where location DOES make a difference.</p>
<p>Anchor Steam &#8211; San Francisco, California<br />
Sierra Nevada Pale Ale &#8211; Chico, California<br />
Budweiser Light &#8211; Lager &#8211; Saint Louis, Missouri<br />
Miller Genuine Draft &#8211; Lager &#8211; Milwaukee Wisconsin</p>
<p>No you idiots They are all made in California. The macros brew in Irwindale and Van Nuys or some equally boring industrial plant.</p>
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		<title>By: Bailey</title>
		<link>http://boakandbailey.com/2012/07/dont-just-say-local-name-the-farm/#comment-18901</link>
		<dc:creator>Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[pubman79 -- we quite like the way Sainsbury&#039;s economy range actually has things like &quot;made from slightly lumpy onions, but just as tasty!&quot; written on the packaging.

John -- yes, you&#039;re right -- this can quickly spill over into pretentiousness: &quot;...all held together with Fairtrade Algerian cocktail sticks handcrafted in a mountain retreat&quot;.

NorthcoteBeers -- now you say it, we probably didn&#039;t mean local as much as we meant &quot;localised&quot;, i.e. from a specific place, rather than from somewhere nearby. As we&#039;ve just said on t&#039;Twitter in response to someone else, this is marketing patter, in its own way, and can be &lt;a href=&quot;http://boakandbailey.com/2008/04/cheeky-stella-artois-ad-campaign/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a bit of a con trick if &#039;bad&#039; ingredients are trumpeted with enough confidence&lt;/a&gt;.

Beer Nut -- &quot;Hops are not like meat&quot;: nothing to argue with in that statement. I guess we&#039;re thinking here of smaller producers who make a virtue of subtle variation rather than absolute consistency. Even biggish breweries like St Austell name specific hop farms, though, and it only improves their image. Can&#039;t find it now, but there were excited Tweets from the US when Roger Ryman signed a contract for the next year&#039;s supply of Willamette with a specific supplier.

Whosisbrew -- I guess what we&#039;re saying is, breweries that *can* do it should do it, cos it&#039;s a neat marketing trick that also happens to work for consumers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pubman79 &#8212; we quite like the way Sainsbury&#8217;s economy range actually has things like &#8220;made from slightly lumpy onions, but just as tasty!&#8221; written on the packaging.</p>
<p>John &#8212; yes, you&#8217;re right &#8212; this can quickly spill over into pretentiousness: &#8220;&#8230;all held together with Fairtrade Algerian cocktail sticks handcrafted in a mountain retreat&#8221;.</p>
<p>NorthcoteBeers &#8212; now you say it, we probably didn&#8217;t mean local as much as we meant &#8220;localised&#8221;, i.e. from a specific place, rather than from somewhere nearby. As we&#8217;ve just said on t&#8217;Twitter in response to someone else, this is marketing patter, in its own way, and can be <a href="http://boakandbailey.com/2008/04/cheeky-stella-artois-ad-campaign/" rel="nofollow">a bit of a con trick if &#8216;bad&#8217; ingredients are trumpeted with enough confidence</a>.</p>
<p>Beer Nut &#8212; &#8220;Hops are not like meat&#8221;: nothing to argue with in that statement. I guess we&#8217;re thinking here of smaller producers who make a virtue of subtle variation rather than absolute consistency. Even biggish breweries like St Austell name specific hop farms, though, and it only improves their image. Can&#8217;t find it now, but there were excited Tweets from the US when Roger Ryman signed a contract for the next year&#8217;s supply of Willamette with a specific supplier.</p>
<p>Whosisbrew &#8212; I guess what we&#8217;re saying is, breweries that *can* do it should do it, cos it&#8217;s a neat marketing trick that also happens to work for consumers.</p>
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		<title>By: Whosisbrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Whosisbrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2012 16:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Beer/Ale Brewed with Spices&quot; is another that makes me cringe a bit, but that&#039;s besides the point. Transparency certainly makes things a bit clearer, and I&#039;m all for it, so long as brewers don&#039;t eventually feel prompted to brand bottles with what style the beer is. That&#039;s a little restricting.

As far as local is concerned, this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2LBICPEK6w]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Beer/Ale Brewed with Spices&#8221; is another that makes me cringe a bit, but that&#8217;s besides the point. Transparency certainly makes things a bit clearer, and I&#8217;m all for it, so long as brewers don&#8217;t eventually feel prompted to brand bottles with what style the beer is. That&#8217;s a little restricting.</p>
<p>As far as local is concerned, this: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2LBICPEK6w" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2LBICPEK6w</a></p>
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