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		<title>By: Jon K.</title>
		<link>http://boakandbailey.com/2012/07/try-jumping-on-this-bandwagon/#comment-17830</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 17:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Er, no Phil.  That might work if the brown and non-brown markets were of comparable size / profitability.  That&#039;s probably not true.  Apples and Oranges again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Er, no Phil.  That might work if the brown and non-brown markets were of comparable size / profitability.  That&#8217;s probably not true.  Apples and Oranges again.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon K.</title>
		<link>http://boakandbailey.com/2012/07/try-jumping-on-this-bandwagon/#comment-17829</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 17:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, personally, I&#039;m not that arsed.  I&#039;m sure there&#039;s plenty of whining and hypocrisy at all levels of the brewing industry.  But I think it&#039;s worth reiterating (in case anyone&#039;s missed the point): Larger brewers will be able to apply many of their economies of scale, marketing &amp; market access advantages to the products of their sock-puppet breweries.  If that&#039;s not thought to be a problem (perhaps you believe that what&#039;s good for [a big] business is necessarily good for the consumer), well then, fine.  As far as seeing it coming, the &quot;faux-craft&quot; product isn&#039;t  a new idea by any means (Blue Moon anyone?), and I&#039;m not sure anyone&#039;s actually surprised (with the possible exception of CAMRA, who were lapping it up in their highly absorbent periodical recently).

The difference between this kind of thing and the competition between what Phil [above] refers to as &quot;indie brown bitter&quot; and &quot;corporate brown bitter&quot; is that in the brown bitter case, &quot;indies&quot;, in spite of their market disadvantages, have made inroads into the former preserve of the corporates. Admirable and choice enhancing.  What we&#039;re seeing here may be the opposite.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, personally, I&#8217;m not that arsed.  I&#8217;m sure there&#8217;s plenty of whining and hypocrisy at all levels of the brewing industry.  But I think it&#8217;s worth reiterating (in case anyone&#8217;s missed the point): Larger brewers will be able to apply many of their economies of scale, marketing &amp; market access advantages to the products of their sock-puppet breweries.  If that&#8217;s not thought to be a problem (perhaps you believe that what&#8217;s good for [a big] business is necessarily good for the consumer), well then, fine.  As far as seeing it coming, the &#8220;faux-craft&#8221; product isn&#8217;t  a new idea by any means (Blue Moon anyone?), and I&#8217;m not sure anyone&#8217;s actually surprised (with the possible exception of CAMRA, who were lapping it up in their highly absorbent periodical recently).</p>
<p>The difference between this kind of thing and the competition between what Phil [above] refers to as &#8220;indie brown bitter&#8221; and &#8220;corporate brown bitter&#8221; is that in the brown bitter case, &#8220;indies&#8221;, in spite of their market disadvantages, have made inroads into the former preserve of the corporates. Admirable and choice enhancing.  What we&#8217;re seeing here may be the opposite.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://boakandbailey.com/2012/07/try-jumping-on-this-bandwagon/#comment-17649</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2012 16:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was thinking of saying that anyone who could handle a dry cider would have no trouble with gueuze. I can&#039;t, unfortunately. (OK, the usual commercial stuff is *too* sweet, but the stuff they sell as &#039;dry&#039;... ye gods.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was thinking of saying that anyone who could handle a dry cider would have no trouble with gueuze. I can&#8217;t, unfortunately. (OK, the usual commercial stuff is *too* sweet, but the stuff they sell as &#8216;dry&#8217;&#8230; ye gods.)</p>
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		<title>By: Bailey</title>
		<link>http://boakandbailey.com/2012/07/try-jumping-on-this-bandwagon/#comment-17596</link>
		<dc:creator>Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2012 08:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I got lambic and gueuze straightaway but then I think they resemble the scrumpy cider of my native Somerset more than beer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got lambic and gueuze straightaway but then I think they resemble the scrumpy cider of my native Somerset more than beer.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://boakandbailey.com/2012/07/try-jumping-on-this-bandwagon/#comment-17558</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2012 22:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If corporate &quot;craft&quot; gives indie &quot;craft&quot; a bit of competition, that will be no more than corporate brown bitter &amp; lager have been giving indie brown bitter and PIlsner Urquell all these years. And yet there&#039;s still no shortage of indie brown bitter, and PU is still going strong.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If corporate &#8220;craft&#8221; gives indie &#8220;craft&#8221; a bit of competition, that will be no more than corporate brown bitter &amp; lager have been giving indie brown bitter and PIlsner Urquell all these years. And yet there&#8217;s still no shortage of indie brown bitter, and PU is still going strong.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://boakandbailey.com/2012/07/try-jumping-on-this-bandwagon/#comment-17553</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2012 21:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve tried to initiate myself several times. Still find lambic and gueuze actively unpleasant/foul. Yet my Kronenbourg quaffing chum laps it up like nectar. Agree with B&amp;b about Orval. Never &quot;got&quot; it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve tried to initiate myself several times. Still find lambic and gueuze actively unpleasant/foul. Yet my Kronenbourg quaffing chum laps it up like nectar. Agree with B&amp;b about Orval. Never &#8220;got&#8221; it.</p>
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		<title>By: Pivní Filosof</title>
		<link>http://boakandbailey.com/2012/07/try-jumping-on-this-bandwagon/#comment-17547</link>
		<dc:creator>Pivní Filosof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2012 19:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, I&#039;m sorry. I can&#039;t because A: It&#039;s whining B: in some cases, they are hypocrites. When small brewers grow and expand beyond their immediate region they do it at the expense of someone, and it&#039;s not always the big brewers&#039;, and nobody sees anything wrong with that. Do they?

On the other hand, if smaller brewers have loyal customer base, they have very little to fear, people will keep on buying their stuff and recommending it to friends. Those who don&#039;t, those who are not able to offer anything interesting or good quality, those who do not know how to sell their products, may have something to fear, but much of it is their fault, to begin with.

And last, but not least, ir&#039;s a business, it&#039;s always been, it&#039;ll always be. The sales of the bigger brands (generally speaking) are stagnated at best. The market for &quot;alternative&quot; beers has been growing steadily for quite some time to the point that it has become attractive to bigger players. It&#039;s something that anyone should have seen coming]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I&#8217;m sorry. I can&#8217;t because A: It&#8217;s whining B: in some cases, they are hypocrites. When small brewers grow and expand beyond their immediate region they do it at the expense of someone, and it&#8217;s not always the big brewers&#8217;, and nobody sees anything wrong with that. Do they?</p>
<p>On the other hand, if smaller brewers have loyal customer base, they have very little to fear, people will keep on buying their stuff and recommending it to friends. Those who don&#8217;t, those who are not able to offer anything interesting or good quality, those who do not know how to sell their products, may have something to fear, but much of it is their fault, to begin with.</p>
<p>And last, but not least, ir&#8217;s a business, it&#8217;s always been, it&#8217;ll always be. The sales of the bigger brands (generally speaking) are stagnated at best. The market for &#8220;alternative&#8221; beers has been growing steadily for quite some time to the point that it has become attractive to bigger players. It&#8217;s something that anyone should have seen coming</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://boakandbailey.com/2012/07/try-jumping-on-this-bandwagon/#comment-17530</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2012 16:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lambic&#039;s &#039;interesting&#039; to the uninitiated and gueuze is plain revolting. Then again, the same&#039;s true of US-style IPAs and DIPAs.

I don&#039;t think there&#039;s any style bandwagon the majors are actually unable to jump on - and the &#039;agile&#039; multiple-short-run approach sometimes has &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.coach-house-brewing.co.uk/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;mixed&lt;/a&gt; results (click on &#039;Fruit and spice beers&#039;). So if your premise were correct the outlook would be as gloomy as this week&#039;s weather. On the other hand, if your premise were correct there wouldn&#039;t be any indies left brewing copper-coloured session bitters - and as any visit to a SIBA fest will confirm, there are zillions of them. Conclusion: premise needs looking at.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lambic&#8217;s &#8216;interesting&#8217; to the uninitiated and gueuze is plain revolting. Then again, the same&#8217;s true of US-style IPAs and DIPAs.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s any style bandwagon the majors are actually unable to jump on &#8211; and the &#8216;agile&#8217; multiple-short-run approach sometimes has <a href="http://www.coach-house-brewing.co.uk/" rel="nofollow">mixed</a> results (click on &#8216;Fruit and spice beers&#8217;). So if your premise were correct the outlook would be as gloomy as this week&#8217;s weather. On the other hand, if your premise were correct there wouldn&#8217;t be any indies left brewing copper-coloured session bitters &#8211; and as any visit to a SIBA fest will confirm, there are zillions of them. Conclusion: premise needs looking at.</p>
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		<title>By: Bailey</title>
		<link>http://boakandbailey.com/2012/07/try-jumping-on-this-bandwagon/#comment-17511</link>
		<dc:creator>Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2012 13:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, come on, PF -- you must be able to empathise with the smaller brewers who feel under threat a *bit*!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, come on, PF &#8212; you must be able to empathise with the smaller brewers who feel under threat a *bit*!</p>
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		<title>By: Jon K.</title>
		<link>http://boakandbailey.com/2012/07/try-jumping-on-this-bandwagon/#comment-17510</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2012 13:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[PF, you assume that they (big evil businesses) want to get into the market with a view to making money from it. That&#039;s naive.  They already have access to market which small brewers are struggling for.  There are those who suspect this move is more about keeping the small brewers out, than offering genuine choice to the drinker. Me, I haven&#039;t made my mind up. The bigger brewers &quot;faux-craft&quot; is pretty much poor stuff so far.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PF, you assume that they (big evil businesses) want to get into the market with a view to making money from it. That&#8217;s naive.  They already have access to market which small brewers are struggling for.  There are those who suspect this move is more about keeping the small brewers out, than offering genuine choice to the drinker. Me, I haven&#8217;t made my mind up. The bigger brewers &#8220;faux-craft&#8221; is pretty much poor stuff so far.</p>
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