Tetley’s Post War ‘Estate’ Pubs in The North

We’ve just acquired a couple of editions of Tetley’s in-house magazine from the 1960s and thought we’d share some pictures of the then state-of-the-art modern pubs featured.

We usu­al­ly scan these things and effec­tive­ly thrown them away on Twit­ter but thought that we ought to put them some­where a bit more per­ma­nent in case they’re inter­est­ing or use­ful for oth­er researchers, or just for the enjoy­ment of peo­ple who might recall the pubs in ques­tion as they were in their hey­day.

The first batch of pho­tos are from The Hunts­man for Autumn 1964. This pic­ture is on the front cov­er:

The Cup & Ring (exterior).

Explana­to­ry text inside says: ‘The Cup & Ring, the new opened Tet­ley house on the edge of the moors by Bail­don. It is almost cer­tain­ly the only pub­lic house in the coun­try with this name – tak­en from the cup and ring mark­ings carved by Ear­ly Bronze Age peo­ple on cer­tain stones of Bail­don Moor.’ Today the pub is – obvi­ous­ly, of course, it goes with­out say­ing – gone.

The Earl Francis, Park Hill, Sheffield -- exterior.

Next up is The Earl Fran­cis at Park Hill in Sheffield of which the mag­a­zine says:

[The] third Tet­ley ‘pub’ in the vast com­pre­hen­sive area of Cor­po­ra­tion flats which will ulti­mate­ly house 10,000 peo­ple, was named as a reminder of the local his­tor­i­cal asso­ci­a­tion with the Shrews­bury fam­i­ly… The first two of these three Tet­ley hous­es were each an inte­gral part of the ground floor of the block of flats in which they were sit­u­at­ed. The Earl Fran­cis dif­fers in that it is a sep­a­rate build­ing. To ensure har­mo­ny with its back­ground of flats the shell was built by the Cor­po­ra­tion; but the main entrance and canopy, the inter­nal plan­ning and struc­ture, and all fix­tures and fit­tings were dealt with by The Com­pa­ny.

The licensees were Alan and Valerie Max­field, then only in their ear­ly twen­ties. He was a for­mer fash­ion design­er, sales­man and bar man­ag­er and togeth­er they enjoyed col­lect­ing small oil lamps. Obvi­ous­ly. We won­der if they might still be around? Here they are behind the bar in the lounge:

Mr and Mrs Maxfield behind the bar.

Here’s a wider shot of the lounge show­ing the ‘attrac­tive glass wall’:

The lounge at the Earl Francis.

And this is the pub­lic bar with more and hard­er seat­ing, and lino (or sim­i­lar) instead of car­pet:

Public bar at the Earl Francis.

Next, we head north, The Ebor in Leeds, con­fus­ing­ly named in hon­our of York (Ebo­racum) because the Bur­mantofts estate sits along­side York Road.

The Ebor, Leeds -- pub exterior.

This seems to be a clas­sic case of a pub that was too mod­ern and too clever for its own good: at some point, it got renamed The Rose & Crown and had some faux-Vic­to­ri­an bits nailed on to the out­side. It is, though, still in oper­a­tion, and What Pub calls it a ‘busy estate pub’:

The licensees at the time of open­ing were Mr and Mrs With­ing­ton, two ex-pat Lan­cas­tri­ans, who enjoyed angling in their spare time. Here they are at launch with Mr J.S. Page from the brew­ery (left):

Mr and Mrs Withington.

As a marked dis­tinc­tion from the antiq­ui­ty of its name, The Ebor is mod­ern in archi­tec­tur­al design, and up-to-the-minute in its equip­ment. Being in an all-elec­tric area it is illu­mi­nat­ed elec­tri­cal­ly, warmed by elec­tri­cal­ly heat­ed duct­ed air; and from casks tak­en into the cel­lar by a counter-bal­anced lift, the beer is deliv­ered to the lat­est type of dis­pensers by elec­tric pumps. (As an ordi­nary house­hold­er I shud­der to think of the elec­tric­i­ty bills!)

This is the lounge with a 15×5 foot aer­i­al view of the city of York on the wall, which feels to us as if it might wind up Leo­den­sians:

The lounge at The Ebor, Burmantofts, Leeds.

And here’s the pub­lic bar look­ing very clean and bright:

The public bar at The Ebor pub, Leeds, in 1964.

Cus­tomers find the spa­cious, airy and well-fur­nished lounge com­fort­able and cosy. Yet, so bright­ly attrac­tive is the pub­lic bar, with its green, black and red lath­er fur­ni­ture, and invit­ing atmos­phere that some reg­u­lars pre­fer it. Its pop­u­lar­i­ty with a few cus­tomers is rumoured to be due, in part, to the fact that the lounge can be over­looked by long sight­ed wives work­ing in the kitchens of flats oppo­site; but I wouldn’t know about that!

Now we head into Lan­cashire and also jump four years for­ward in time to when Tet­ley had become Tet­ley Walk­er, and The Hunts­man had been renamed Tet­ley Walk­er incor­po­rat­ing The Hunts­man. From the front cov­er of the Spring 1968 edi­tion we have The Crooked Wheel, a Walk­er Cain brand­ed pub in Wors­ley Mesnes, Wigan:

The Crooked Wheel.

In the inter­ven­ing years, it seems to have burnt down and then been demol­ished after a peri­od as a noto­ri­ous­ly rough pub under the name The Wheel.

The Ribbleton, Preston.

Still in Lan­cashire we next vis­it The Rib­ble­ton at Pre­ston which opened in 1963 between two large hous­ing estates:

The Rib­ble­ton is a pub­lic house which ‘stands well’. With its steeply slop­ing roof it has, when seen from the out­side, a rather Alpine qual­i­ty… Its rooms are spa­cious and com­prise a pub­lic bar, the Valen­tine Lounge (named after Leonard Valen­tine, the last inde­pen­dent land­lord of the old Bowl­ing Green Inn which was replaced by this new house) and the Cromwell Lounge (Cromwell fought a bat­tle at Pre­ston), which are all fur­nished in a mod­ern, lux­u­ry style with sub­tle light­ing and dif­fer­ent ceil­ing lev­els giv­ing a sense of cosi­ness and warmth of wel­come.

The Public Bar at the Ribbleton.
The Pub­lic Bar.
The Cromwell Lounge at the Ribbleton.
The Cromwell Lounge.
The valentine lounge at the Ribbleton.
The Valen­tine Lounge.

The pub was run from its open­ing by Thomas Hunter Low, a Glaswe­gian for­mer butch­er and RAF clerk, and his wife, who appar­ent­ly had no giv­en name but enjoyed judo and weightlift­ing. Here they are with their daugh­ter, Susan, son, Andrew, and Kim the Alsa­t­ian:

Mr and Mrs Low with their children and dog.

The Cromwell Lounge (where the mods and the young guns hung out if the pho­to is any­thing to go by) was also home to Mrs Low’s favourite item, ‘The African Mask’, brought back for her from Mom­basa by a cus­tomer:

An African mask on a wall at The Ribbleton.

These days The Rib­ble­ton is known as The Rib­ble Lodge and is appar­ent­ly still thriv­ing. It’s nice to end on a bright note.

11 thoughts on “Tetley’s Post War ‘Estate’ Pubs in The North”

  1. The near­est pub to where I grew up was one of these, the Red Admi­ral in Run­corn, although I’d hard­ly call it a “local” as I could count the num­ber of times I’ve been in it on the fin­gers of one hand. Still going, though. Accord­ing to What­Pub, it doesn’t cur­rent­ly serve cask ale, although it has in the past.

  2. The Cup and Ring in Bail­don was named for the carv­ings up on the moor, and was demol­ished in 2013 due to seri­ous order prob­lems. Pre­dictably it’s not in the leafy part of Bail­don or the attrac­tive mod­el vil­lage of Saltaire, but a coun­cil estate between the two.

  3. I have run the Rib­ble Lodge since Octo­ber 2007 . Thanky­ou for post­ing this arti­cle , I’ll be sure to share

  4. I lived oppo­site the Earl Fran­cis in 1994 dur­ing my first year at uni. You quick­ly learned not to be any­where near it at chuck­ing out time!

  5. As part of my mis­sion to vis­it every pub in Leeds, I went to the Rose & Crown just over 3 years ago. A bit of research in advance told me it used to be a spoons, which was very sur­pris­ing as it is well off the beat­en track and is a clas­sic estate pub. Not sure for how long it remained as such, but prob­a­bly like Longsight spoons, not long. Would be inter­est­ing to know.
    Any­way, we stu­pid­ly chose a Fri­day night to vis­it, and it was a very uncom­fort­able vis­it, prob­a­bly the only time I have been drink­ing a pint and real­ly felt like I should leave, and I’ve vis­it­ed many ‘rough’ pubs, with­out any issue at all. It looked like a very worn down ear­ly Lon­don spoons, not seen a lick of paint in years. Hard­ly any tables or chairs, but 2 pool tables. As we left, we were accused of being plain clothes police by the smok­ers at the door. When we arrived at the next estate pub, The Sports­man, the locals there couldn’t believe we’d been there, and said ‘they must have thought you were police’. Not sure ‘busy’ cov­ers it, I’d say…

    1. The Ebor” became a ‘Spoons in 1991, and was known as “The Moon under Water”, a tra­di­tion­al ‘Spoons name. It was an ordi­nary pub, and was offloaded in 1997 fol­low­ing the company’s deci­sion to sell their mod­est branch­es, and instead to con­cen­trate on what might be known as “Super­pubs”. I vis­it­ed it before, dur­ing and after its ‘Spoons exis­tence, and thought it rea­son­able. How­ev­er, it is gen­er­al­ly regard­ed by ‘Spoons fans as being their worst-ever branch.

      1. The Sir Edwin Chad­wick in Longsight, Man­ches­ter must have been a strong con­tender for that acco­lade. Spoons’ plan­ners total­ly mis­read the nature of the area. Appar­ent­ly Tim paid a vis­it, took one look and said “get rid of it”.

  6. My dad was a pub man­ag­er for Whit­bread. We lived in one their new­er pubs from 1973 – The Abbots­ford, Rock Fer­ry. The pub was 5 years old and I was 17 when we moved in. It was sim­i­lar to many Birken­head Brewery/Threlfalls (absorbed by Whit­bread) pubs built in Wirral. I think this was one of the last to be built by the com­pa­ny. A rec­tan­gle con­sist­ing of bar, two lounges, out­door sales and ground floor ‘cel­lar’. The first floor licensee accom­mo­da­tion cov­ered half of the ground floor foot­print. That meant that there was flat roof which meant the premis­es were hard­ly secure. We had bars on the win­dows upstairs and for the door into the roof – unlocked usu­al­ly.
    The barr was basic with tables and stools on floor tiles – very stark. The Out­door adjoined it so the barman/woman could serve the ton­ic wine, British wine and 4 pint Blue­cans. The lounges were 60s plush with car­pet­ing, flock wall­pa­per and cop­per effect bar top. The 2nd lounge only open at week­ends or for ’ a do.’ A par­ti­tion sep­a­rat­ed the lounges and the bar ran full length so the same staff could ser­vice both rooms. After a few years we installed one of those new fan­gled ovens to serve hot pies!
    Whit­bread on Mersey­side didn’t brew cask ale for many years. Beer was most­ly served from tanks by the Porter Lan­cas­tri­an sys­tem plus keg Tankard, Guin­ness and briefly Gaunt­let.
    Although in a hard, work­ing class area my Dad stood no non­sense and the pub had a good rep­u­ta­tion. Very busy at 5:30 evening open­ing from Cam­mell Laird ship­yard and oth­er thriv­ing busi­ness­es. Years after my Dad left for pas­tures new it was knocked into one huge room and grad­u­al­ly became rather dubi­ous. It shut down 5 years ago and then had to be demol­ished after a fire. Hous­ing on the site now. A num­ber of oth­ers of sim­i­lar design are no more also.
    After leav­ing school I worked for the com­pa­ny that built a num­ber of the Birken­head Brew­ery pubs. I wish I had the plans of the pubs that were kept in my office.

  7. It also occurred to me that there is def­i­nite­ly a stan­dard design for Tet­ley estate pubs in that peri­od. I can think of sev­er­al exam­ples of that maisonette/chalet look around south and west York­shire. I feel a small project com­ing on…

  8. I joined Tet­ley Walk­er in 1988 and don’t remem­ber either the Crooked Wheel or the Rib­ble­ton, although in my defence we had sev­er­al hun­dred pubs, but very few in Pre­ston.
    I won­der whether it was sold or swapped, or whether my mem­o­ry is again at fault?
    I do remem­ber that we had a big CIU club account on Wors­ley Mesnes; I won­der whether the pub was demol­ished and a club built there with a tie to Tet­ley? We were the biggest sup­pli­er in the Wigan area at the time.
    Note to his­to­ri­ans; I don’t know when Walk­er Cain brand­ing was removed, but when I joined the Peter Walk­er name had risen from the ash­es and was used to brand a small estate in areas of high Tet­ley den­si­ty, notably Liv­er­pool and Bolton. PW had its own man­ag­ing direc­tor who sat on the TW board,and its own area man­agers.
    The Tet­ley brew­ery pro­duced Walk­er Mild, Bit­ter and best Bit­ter for the (I think about 30) pubs. They were dis­tinct prod­ucts, not badge engi­neer­ing.
    I still have my PW busi­ness card and a fine piece of work it is too, with an embossed logo and gold bor­der.

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