We’ve been working on an article about German Bierkellers in English towns in the 1970s and as a side quest found ourselves looking into one of the UK’s weirdest pubs: The Alpine Gasthof, Rochdale.
We’ve never been, though it’s very much on the wishlist, but Tandleman wrote about his visit earlier in the year:
Perhaps the oddest of Sam Smith’s pubs is its take-off of a German local pub, uprooted it seems, in looks if nothing else, from Garmisch or some other Alpine resort. Only it is in Rochdale. Not only is it in Rochdale, but it is on a busy main road, which if you follow it for not too long, will take you to Bacup. This is the Land that Time Forgot. Don’t do that… Not only is it incongruously in Rochdale, but it is in a less than salubrious part of town… The pub has the usual German style high sloping roof and inside is, well, a sort of pastiche of a German pub, but done, unusually for Sam’s, sort of on the cheap.
Although there are lots of photos, and though everyone seems quite fascinated by the place, there don’t seem to be many concrete facts. When was it built? Why?
We didn’t hold out great hopes for any information from the brewery which is notoriously tight-lipped but did get this, which is a start:
The Alpine Gasthof was built in the 1970s (don’t have the exact date to hand) because the previous pub we had on that site had to be demolished for road widening. To have a bit of fun we decided to build a pub modelled on the Brauerei Gasthof Hotel in Aying, Germany because at that time we were brewing Ayinger beer under licence.
We can well imagine Sam Smith’s execs going to Aying during licence negotiations and being charmed by the original, pictured here in a shot taken from the gallery on the hotel website:
Although, oddly, the pastiche doesn’t look that much like it. Here it is photographed in 2013, via Ian S on Geograph.org.uk under a Creative Commons Licence:
With a bit more to go on we reckon we can guess that the date of its construction was around 1972, at the tail-end of the theme pub craze (Further reading: Chapter 5 in 20th Century Pub) and just as the German Bierkeller trend was kicking in. That’s also when Sam Smith’s started brewing Ayinger-branded beers. But we’re awful short on actual evidence. We thought this might be something…
…but there are two problems. First, though Google Books has the date of publication as 1972 the particular issue referencing the Alpine Gasthof might be from, say, 1978. We’ve come across this problem in the past. It’s hard to know until you have the journal in front of you, fully readable. Secondly… It says Wetherby, Yorkshire. Surely some mistake? But, no, apparently not — there is at least one other (slightly odd) reference to an Alpine Gasthaus in Wetherby, giving the address as Boroughbridge Road, LS22 5HH. That led us to this local news story about the burning down in 2005 of the Alpine Lodge, a two-storey chalet-style building in Kirk Deighton (Wetherby). There are various other bits out there including this interview with the couple who ran it for several decades and a teasingly indistinct photo taken from a moving car in bright sunlight on this Facebook nostalgia website. We’ve taken the liberty of reproducing it here, with some tweaks — hopefully no-one will mind.
What a bizarre building to find there on the side of the A1.
And that leaves us with two Alpine-style Sam Smith’s pubs to be puzzled about.
So, do drop us a line if you know anything concrete about the origins of either pub (that is, not reckonings or guesses); have friends or family members who might have drunk in them; or live near either Rochdale or Wetherby and fancy popping to your local library to look at newspapers for 1972.
19 replies on “The Alpine Gasthof: Let’s Crack This”
I remember the Kirk Deighton one as a building very clearly; my dad always said it was a dump and nicer before they Alpineised it. There’s a bit about it’s pre-Alpine history in this story: http://www.ripongazette.co.uk/news/former-landlords-celebrate-64th-wedding-anniversary-1-2651153, which I found from this thread: http://samsmiths.info/forum/index.php?topic=33396.0
Kirk Deighton is only a few miles from Tad, but still a rather odd location for an Alpine-themed pub; Rochdale, though, seems even stranger.
Here’s the death of it: http://www.ripongazette.co.uk/news/blaze-destroys-disused-pub-1-2625350
Here’s a link that doesn’t show a photo, but says one exists from the early 1900s of the pub: http://www.northyorkshirenews.com/news/a-view-of-our-halfway-house-1-2681839
Pic and a bit more here, but at least some of the info is wrong (date of fire): http://www.leodis.net/display.aspx?resourceIdentifier=2006817_161814&DISPLAY=FULL
Actually it appears the pub was orignally pretty ancient and had at one point been thatched: http://crimblecottage.com/RNH_Antiques/Rare_18th_c_marriage_stone.html but that it was replaced by a new building in 1932.
Nick — a couple of those are already linked in the post!
Most of the recollections of the Yorkshire one we can find online seem to say either that (a) it was great fun or (b) a dump. Lots of people mention the lights with which it was covered — not very Bavarian, but presumably helpful if you’re trying to lure in passing drivers.
Sorry, so they are… sorry, got rather carried away.
Yes, it had lots of lights and that certainly made it stand out. I only ever remember it in Alpine form, so would love to know more about when it was converted – it seems to have been pretty successful in its previous guise.
A Man Who Remembers The Seventies writes: my immediate reaction to the picture of the Gasthaus – and its lack of resemblance to the original – was an automatic “well, chalet style, innit“. Dredging my memories, it seems to me that “chalet style” or “Swiss look” was A Thing in the early to mid-seventies. Pizzaland (established 1970) had a Swiss decor theme in its early years, presumably on the grounds that this would seem less scarily foreign than an Italian look. (This is the period when the standard Pizzaland lunch consisted of two slices of pizza, cole slaw and a jacket potato. No, you didn’t get to choose the pizza.)
Researching the Bierkeller article we were amused to find how many were marketed as Swiss, Austrian or even Scandinavian. There was clearly some popular idea of a generic European German-ish, Alpine-ish culture that sort of smooshed all those countries/regions together.
I think it’s all tied up with the second generation of ski culture, after the “aristocrats at St Moritz” phase and before the French industrialised the process, when it was still perceived as relatively exclusive and sophisticated to take a (delayed) Dan Air from Manchester airport to go skiing in Austria or Switzerland. Certainly it looks like the architect of the Gasthof had done more skiing in Austria than study of the finer points of German architecture.
It’s not just those two – there’s a definite Alpine feel to the Sportsman in Strines, which I guess was extended around this time. It’s not explicit, but it’s just a general vibe – big fireplace at one end, high beamed roof, helped by it overlooking the bottom of the Goyt valley. It wouldn’t surprise me if it had shared an architect with the Gasthof.
And you can’t leave this subject without mention of the Snow Goose, which is a rare example of an extant theme pub. “Shabby chalet” in this case, despite being just down the road from Macclesfield station. I guess one difference is that it works as a pub, it’s a decent free house that serves as the unofficial tap of Storm Brewing round the corner.
I remember the “Alpine House” as a derelict. It was beside the old A1 and could be seen from the road as you drove past, as I frequently did on business heading to Newcastle or Washington. It was marked as such on road maps.
I’m making some equiries locally about the Gasthof. It can’t just have suddenly appeared!
If you can bung any intel our way we’d be happy to write something up for your mag, if that’d be of interest.
Will see what if anything I come up with, but sounds interesting.
I went to the Alpine House as a young 15 year old along with my Parents & some friends of theirs who lived in Knaresborough. I recall it had an accordion player and I had too much to drink. (2.5 Pints).
I’d date that as late 1973 when I went but can’t be totally sure.
I wonder whether the alpine hut decor in the Everest Room at the Pen y Gwryd was done at about the same time – a different manifestation of the same cultural moment? Or whether it’s completely unrelated.
I think that’s earlier and much more specifically linked to mountaineering culture.
And of course we have the Swiss Cottage in – well Swiss Cottage
the entry hopefully gives the historical background!
Swiss Cottage – odd place, good OBB, reasonable price.
Others – anyone tried checking local authority planning applications online ?
I remember the Alpine Inn at Wetherby very well. It was only a couple of miles up the A1 from where I live. I reckon it was still open into the early nineties, certainly 1991 when we moved to the areas. A friend of ours lived there when her parents ran it at one time, she is the landlady of a local pub now, her mother passed away and her father ‘did one’ back to Ireland. It’s not really at Kirk Deighton, although that may be the correct postal address and it’s some distance away from the village. It stood at the side of the A1 southbound, in the days when it was a two carriageway road, with roundabouts and lay-bys and gaps in the central reservation to cross over. There was a bit of a small service station -petrol and shop on the same site. The current A1M runs on a separate course to the East of the old road, but if you exit the A1M at Wetherby services and drive towards Wetherby and then do a right at the first roundabout up the old A1 (A168) towards The Bridge at Walshford then you will go past where it was. Dr Shipmans wife lived in a cottage nearby for a while after his arrest! Prior to the fire it was being used as a ‘Cannabis Grow’, a substantial one, as it was a big pub. There is a suspicion the fire was linked to the criminal activity. Most people in the Wetherby area will be able to tell you plenty of tales about The Alpine Inn, it was a notorious drinking establishment, back in the day when drink driving was the norm – well you couldn’t really walk to it could you!
Here’s another one for you. The Swiss Cottage at Wentbridge, Pontefract, W.Yorks. More a restaurant than a pub. We used to go there for tea on a Sunday afternoon when the old man closed the pub at 3pm and we didn’t open up again until 7pm. If you had trout you pointed at the one in the tank you fancied and they fished it out alive and cooked it for you! I always had Wiener Schnitzel and it was good.
Here’s a picture; https://www.flickr.com/photos/pontefractheritagegroup/9134182287/sizes/z/
It suffered the same fate as the Alpine Inn at Wetherby; http://www.pontefractandcastlefordexpress.co.uk/news/restaurant-fire-quot-arson-quot-police-1-1223423
theres an alpine in rotherham, not sure when it dates from, 70’s i guess. good boozer!
We came across that one and got a bit excited for a moment but it’s not quite the same thing. The other two are fairly over the top pastiches of German architecture; this one looks like a standard pub with a few nods to chalet-style but not much else. Still, more evidence of the trend.