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On the brief lives of beer brands

How long can any beer brand expect to remain on the market? And what are the oldest cask ale brands in the UK today?

Carslberg-Marstons announced last week that it was ceasing production of a number of notable cask ales. How bothered you are might depend on how you think about ‘brands’.

Broadly speaking, we’re in camp ‘Who cares?’

None of the beers on the list were among our favourites.

They aren’t, as beers, especially interesting or distinctive. And most of them weren’t especially old brands, either.

Of course ‘Who cares?’ is a massively flippant oversimplification.

As Pete Brown sets out here, the importance of the story is in what it says about the market for cask ale, and the attitudes of those who supply it.

And as Matthew Curtis has observed, the loss of local brands has emotional meaning, too.

The thing is, if you study beer history, you get used to the idea that breweries – especially big ones – simply do not care about these things.

Beers and their brands come and go constantly as the market shifts. It’s subject to fads, trends, and changes in public taste. Beers that seem cool in one decade feel tragically unhip 20 years later.

A sign on the exterior wall of a brewery: "Make Mine a Marston's."

Dating cask ale brands

Looking at the cask brands on the CMBCo axe-list we can see that most were relatively new to the market, at least with their current brand names.

  • Jennings Cumberland Ale – launched as ‘Cumbria Pale Ale’, we think, c.1979
  • Ringwood Old Thumper – 1979
  • Bombardier (keg) – 1980
  • Eagle IPA – c.1980 
  • Ringwood Boondoggle – 1997
  • Marston’s Old Empire – 2003
  • Banks’s Sunbeam – 2011
  • Marston’s 61 Deep – 2016

There’s also Banks’s Mild, a version of which was presumably first brewed in the mid-1870s, but that’s arguably not a brand. It’s a description: Brewery X’s Beer of Type Y.

45 years feels to us like a remarkably long time for a beer brand to survive, riding out the real ale revolution, the golden ale and guest beer trends of the 1990s, and the craft beer boom of the 2000s to 2010s.

When we think of cask ale brands that have been around longer than that a few contenders spring to mind.

Hook Norton Old Hooky dates back only to 1977. Adnams Broadside was launched in 1972. Fuller’s London Pride came to the market in 1959. And Marston’s Pedigree was introduced in 1952.

You might make an argument for Bass which is not only still available but also having something of a resurgence in popularity. But it’s also, really, just the name of a defunct brewery. And that famous ‘first trademark’ was actually for ‘Bass & Co’s Pale Ale’, which is not what’s on the pump clips today.

Branding cask beers in the modern style was, broadly speaking, a post-World-War-II trend, driven by the growth of the advertising industry and the volatility of the market. With breweries closing and being acquired at a startling rate ‘Bloggs’s Bitter’ no longer seemed to cut it.

Never mind the brand, what about the beer?

OK, so most of the brands are relatively new in the grand scheme of things – but what about the beer? Isn’t that what matters?

Well, we know that recipes and ingredients change. Many beers with apparent longevity are actually quite different products now than when they launched.

The 2024 model of Bass, for example, doesn’t bear much relation to the product people knew and drank in the 19th century.

Most beers have smaller tweaks throughout their lives, sometimes to retain apparent consistency, or to adapt to changes in consumer taste, or to take advantage of shifting beer duty thresholds.

Is the current version of Ringwood Old Thumper at 5.1% the same beer as the 6% strong ale released in the 1970s?

Then there’s the local connection, as highlighted by Matt Curtis. But the problem there is that many of the cask brands on the CMBCo list had already been cut adrift from the places to which they were nominally connected.

Jennings beers have been brewed in Burton since 2022, for example, and the Ringwood brewery closed earlier this year.

The circle of life

While we understand the emotion and concern these corporate manoeuvres prompt we still feel that, in terms of the big picture, it’s all part of the circle of life.

It also seems to us that it creates opportunities for newer, smaller breweries to fill a growing gap in the market. That so many have, in recent years, been honing their skill at brewing trad styles like mild and bitter puts them in a strong position.

Of course they need to overcome the difficulty of getting into pubs owned by pub companies which restrict which beers publicans can order and sell. But here in Bristol we know pubs do find a way around this so they can stock beers like Butcombe Original and Bristol Beer Factory Fortitude.

So, brands and breweries come and go. If they didn’t, what would we have to be nostalgic about?

For now, though, don’t take the beers you like, or feel fond towards, for granted.

Order ‘boring’ standards every now and then and take a moment to appreciate them – because you never know what news tomorrow might bring.

28 replies on “On the brief lives of beer brands”

Bank’s Mild was okay, more an example of an old skool English Dark Mild, would have liked to see if the cask Sunbeam had any improvement on the very dull bottle. I am tempted to raise Ringwood Old Thumper, as one of the beers that helped inspire the US craft beer movement but I think it got watered down before Marston’s or Carlsberg could get their hands on it

Good piece, lots to digest. Incidentally I’ve enjoyed Robinson’s Old Tom on cask at a couple of local pubs lately. It’s celebrating its 125th year in production, according to the brewery.

Oh, that’s a good shout. It does seem to have been branded ‘Old Tom’ from day one, too. We’re hoping this might smoke out a few other outliers, too.

Yeah, a beer called holt’s bitter, but I remember 33 years ago a surprisingly hop forward, very bitter bitter with people saying
“it is an acquired taste but at 60p a pint, you soon acquire a taste”
Holts Bitter now, it’s more inoffensive middle of the road, adult oriented rock music bitter.

As recently as the early 00s, I remember finding Holt’s bitter (sic for capitalisation) a seriously challenging beer, the kind of ‘acquired taste’ where you couldn’t leave it for more than a day or two without having to acquire it all over again. But that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s changed a lot since then; beers are generally a lot more hop-forward than they used to be, and that goes for bittering hops as well as Verdant/Deya -style tropical fruit hoppiness.

Is it remotely the same beer now though ? As fwiw the Broadside on cask & in cans now is not the same Broadside that launched in ’72. Originally it was only in bottles as the 6.3% version still remains today. The cask version came later at lower abv.

But Greene King IPA has allegedly been around since 1928, Abbot Ale was from the 50s for sure, both seem to be in yearly top10 cask volume sales.

So maybe ubiquity of outlets is the key to an ale brands longevity, because the reality is for the beers Carlsberg are dropping, you won’t have seen them in many pubs for a long while.

It’s not the same as it was twenty years ago (well, the bottle version at least). I seem to remember them lowering the ABV and that impacting the flavour. The bottle itself used to be a work of art. Sadly bottled beers aren’t a patch on what they were when you had a good choice of live beers at Sainsburys. They were different to the cask. Bath Gem was a favourite so was Fuller’s 1845. And talking of long lived brands, what ever happened to Guiness? It’s just awful now.

brands and breweries come and go

It hasn’t just happened by itself, though. The point here (A CAMRA Member Writes) isn’t that we’ll no longer be able to get Ringwood Old Thumper, Jennings’ Cumberland or a bunch of other Marstonised beers, most of them already shadows of their former selves. The point is that a whole string of cask beers have been discontinued by an owner whose commitment to cask was already highly debatable, and who had previously acknowledged that and promised to do better. This isn’t especially bad news in and of itself (although I will miss Banks’s Mild), but it is very bad news for what it says about the future of cask beer in the mass market (which looks dim), and about the influence campaigners can exert on Carlsberg (apparently none).

I think that is the main takeaway from this Phil. It is a slippery slope. I mentioned that very point in my blog. The brands were most dull as ditchwater – even Banks’s Mild if I’m completely honest isn’t a brilliant beer though as a light coloured mild it has a pedigree (no pun intended) of a sort.

There will be more of the same to come.

London Pride was launched before 1959. SPA, as it was originally called, was first brewed around 1948. And was marketed as London Pride at least from 1953. 1959 is when the brewhouse name changed from SPA to LP.

Mackeson Milk Stout has been around for more than 10 years. As has Mann’s Brown Ale.

Guinness Extra Stout and Foreign Extra Stout are pretty old, too.

That should be 100 years.

Chiswick Bitter, formerly called simply PA, has its roots in the 19th century..

You start getting back in the 1800s to the point when beers came in grades across a brewery’s range rather than individually branded each with their singular own identity / personality. Any idea when the first UK beer was granted its own brand? You see it in the US in around the 1820s with the addition of “cream” to add an additional distinguishing adjective.

If you look at it objectively, the Carlsberg Marston’s portfolio of cask ale brands was ridiculously large, and ripe for rationalisation. Banks’s Sunbeam was one of how many golden ales they produced? The only sad loss is Banks’s Mild, as it was probably still the highest-selling cask mild in the world. I wonder which brand would hold that title now? Sarah Hughes?

Great though Sarah Hughes is, I’d have assumed they have the lowest volume of the trad Black Country breweries; both Holden’s and Bathams do milds. Black Country Ales (Pig on the Wall) have a significantly bigger tied estate, but I don’t know how their overall numbers stack up.

Jennings Cumberland Ale was a brand new beer mostly created by brewer Mary Minty in 1993/4 and no relation to Cumbria Pale.

Good to know, thank you. It’s surprisingly difficult to find information about when specific beers launched. They don’t exist, then they do.

Where would Young’s Ordinary fit?

Not to my knowledge used ‘officially’ by the brewery (when open) but in widespread use by drinkers in their pubs.

The culling leaves just 17 regular cask ales in their portfolio. For those that are interested, that list is:

Banks’s Bitter
Bombardier
Brakspear Gravity
Brakspear Oxford Gold
Courage Best
Courage Directors
Marston’s Pedigree
Ringwood Fortyniner
Ringwood Razorback
Tetley Bitter
Wainwright Ale
Wainwright Amber
Hobgoblin (plus Gold and IPA)
Youngs Original
Youngs Special

Who do these beers appeal to? A handful of loyalists in their former home trading areas? There are bigger brands out there for the mainstream cask ale drinker: Doom Bar, Landlord, GK IPA, Pride, Abbot etc, and people who care about flavour will seek out other things. The Marston’s brands had a captive audience when they had a tied estate to fall back on, but the sale to Carlsberg has severed that safety net for them. If I were a betting man, I would suggest that the list of 17 will have been whittled down to perhaps 8 within six years’ time.

Also, although it’s barely been mentioned, Owd Rodger in bottled form has been discontinued.

McMullen’s AK certainly dates from at least 1903: the brewery claims it has been around since 1833, but I have seen no evidence at all for that. Marston’s Owd Rodger has been brewed since at least 1908.

I couldn’t disagree more with this article Beer and its individual brands are an integral part of our historic culture, about which Carlsberg have no interest. They are quite prepared to offer rubbish beers in their pubs, without thinking of the hundreds of people who go to Marstons pubs simply to drink beers such as Banks’s Mild. Yes, these beers may not have the turnover of rubbish like Doombar, but they recall historic beers that were part of our culture. Not everyone likes the cloudy chicken soup beers that some of the craft breweries produce. We should support and revere our historic beers, promote them, rather than simply putting them in the dustbin.

I met the news about the removal of these beers with much the same thoughts as you. However I realised that I had not had any of those beers for at least a year and probably three years, so I cannot complain.
The slow decline of most of these brands is sad, but it does leave space for smaller breweries to thrive.

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